General Information

The Open Rights Group run a variety of email lists, for a variety of purposes. For more information on a list, see the obligatory Wikipedia page.

Unless indictated (usually with the word "announce" appended to the list-name), all of our lists are discussion (i.e., any list-member may post), with private archives, and where mail from non-members are rejected outright.

For general discussions related to matters of interest to ORG, we recommend subscribing to org-discuss.

General List Rules

For the benefit of all members of the list, the following rules are imposed:

  • Do not send spam: keep things on topic
  • Wrap your lines at 80 characters or fewer for ordinary discussion.
  • Do not send (automated) out-of-office or vacation messages. Particularly not to the list.
  • Do not send subscription or unsubscription requests to the list address itself: details are in the footer of each list-message; there's a 'List-Unsubscribe' header too.
  • If you add ORG email list addresses, do not allow your address book to be compromised by things like Plaxo: the sort of things that spam your your entire address book. This is unacceptable, and will probably result in your being banned outright.
  • Never send your messages in HTML: use plain text
  • The majority of users will probably prefer bottom/ in-line posting
  • Avoid sending large attachments: messages with large attachments are likely to get ditched: point people to a URI where the files are
  • Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private mail, unless agreed beforehand.

Subscribing and Unsubscribing

To subscribe to a list, you can do this via the web-interface, or via email. Details of unsubscribing are in each message: at the bottom, and in the headers.

Changing your list subscription

At the moment, there's not an easy way to change your subscribed email address.

There is, however, the annoyance of unsubscribing the old address, and resubscribing with the new address: if you mail the listmasters, this is what they have to do for you.

As time permits, we'll write a form/script that makes this a wee bit easier: if you'd like to write one for us (prefereably in Perl or Python) please do get in touch with sysadmins-at-openrightsgroup-dot-org

Gmail's now available to me...

Now that Gmail is available in the UK, you might find you want to post from, rather than There are a couple of ways to sort this out:

  1. Set your From: address to use googlemail
  2. subscribe to the list as, and either unsubscribe the googlemail address, or set yourself to "nomail" via the "options" page,

Posting to the list(s)

Once you're a list-member, and set your mail-client to send plain-text mails (to the list if nothing else), just send an email as you ordinarily would: text in the body, a meaningful subject line, &c. Instead of sending it to a person, you send it to the list address, e.g., (the actual address will depend on the list, and is contained in the automatically generated mail you received when you subscribed to the list) — you can add the list address to your email address book if you find that easier, too (but please do keep your anti-virus software up-to date).

Sending your mail to other addresses, in addition to the list's, will trigger the list-software to automatically place the message on hold — where it will be reviewed by the list-admins as time permits (they do this in their spare time, along with most of the other tech-stuff for the campaign), unless it's been a busy week and the message queued has since been automatically removed from the queue.

Also, you'll find sending your message to the list using To: or Cc: should get through a lot more easily than if it's bcc'd.

I sent a mail to the list, but it was rejected

If you sent a mail to the list, and got a bounce back saying the message was rejected, it's probably a case that the list doesn't think you're email address is a member of the list.

The easiest way of checking is to find the last mail sent to you by the list, and looking for the 'envelope-to:' header (don't know how to? here's a link, or do an internet search using the words "email" "header" "display" and whatever program you use to read email with).

Once you've worked that out, make sure your From: header includes your subscribed email addresss.

Contacting the list-admins will probably include this advice, and if appropriate a comment along the lines of "you're sending from That's not subscribed to the list. In order to post you need to be a member of the list, and send from your subscribed address"

I use Gmail/Googlemail, but don't see my list posts

This is a "feature" (or, as we think of it, a bug) in Gmail, see their words of wisdom for more info.

Spam-trap Issues

Annoyingly, some list-messages may be marked as spam by aggressive spam-filters. You may find whitelisting * does the job (our lists are set-up to reject mail from people who aren't list-members), or if you want more control over that, add to your email address-book: and where 'listname' is the name of the list,
e.g., for the fictitious list '', you'd add
'' and ''

Auto-Responders, "Out of Office" autoreplies &c

Autoresponders that send to lists are a nuisance. Please refrain from using broken mail-clients that will send an auto-response. Either to the list, to the sender, or the list administrative addresses.

People who do not heed this request risk having their subscriptions to the lists (a) disabled, and (b) moderated: in their first instances. Persistent offenders may administratively be removed from the list, and banned from posting.

Jeffrey Goldberg's written some notes/advice on these matters.

Where are these lists, then?

Ah yes, you want the listing!

I need a human's help!

In each case, is the address to use, where listname is the list's name. Please note that we run several lists, so it's crucial that you provide as much information as possible, particularly if you're contacting us over list (un-)subscriptions.