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		<title>By: artcodex reblog &#8211; Visit the Open Rigths Group (UK)</title>
		<link>http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2007/03/20/patent-office-want-evidence-to-justify-new-copyright-exceptions-for-artists/#comment-87872</link>
		<dc:creator>artcodex reblog &#8211; Visit the Open Rigths Group (UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Visit the Open Rigths Group (UK) Posted by v on March 28th, 2007 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RH Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 01:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody enforces the laws of copyright at all as it is and working artists are ripped off left right and centre because they can't afford to pay lawyers £260 per hour or £700 per letter, £700 for ONE LETTER - quoted by a an artists copyright lawyer in the Islington Design Centre- to a guy who hired me, strung me along for months and then didn't pay me for three months work as a result of which I am in huge debt and can't do anything about it.

So what is the point of worrying about copyright laws "stifling creativity" WHEN NOBODY ENFORCES THEM ANYWAY?

You want details? Name rank and number? Mail me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody enforces the laws of copyright at all as it is and working artists are ripped off left right and centre because they can&#8217;t afford to pay lawyers £260 per hour or £700 per letter, £700 for ONE LETTER - quoted by a an artists copyright lawyer in the Islington Design Centre- to a guy who hired me, strung me along for months and then didn&#8217;t pay me for three months work as a result of which I am in huge debt and can&#8217;t do anything about it.</p>
<p>So what is the point of worrying about copyright laws &#8220;stifling creativity&#8221; WHEN NOBODY ENFORCES THEM ANYWAY?</p>
<p>You want details? Name rank and number? Mail me!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't say I have any personal experiance. But its well know in the computer game modding community that copyright holders will try to stop free games based on their "intellectual property" from being published. 

The silver lining: 
http://www.tsl-game.com/
is one example, its a free game based on the kings quest series, it was nearly shut down by the copyright holders.

I know the same thing happened to a group makeing a Halo based RTS, you can read the story here
http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/msoft-pulls-plug-on-halo-rts-mod-199568.php

I don't know if the new proposals will grant protection to works such as this, and I'm not part of the community that creates them, I just play them, but if there is a proposal to protect these fan made games, I'd be eternally grateful  if you helped make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say I have any personal experiance. But its well know in the computer game modding community that copyright holders will try to stop free games based on their &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; from being published. </p>
<p>The silver lining:<br />
<a href="http://www.tsl-game.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsl-game.com/</a><br />
is one example, its a free game based on the kings quest series, it was nearly shut down by the copyright holders.</p>
<p>I know the same thing happened to a group makeing a Halo based RTS, you can read the story here<br />
<a href="http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/msoft-pulls-plug-on-halo-rts-mod-199568.php" rel="nofollow">http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/msoft-pulls-plug-on-halo-rts-mod-199568.php</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the new proposals will grant protection to works such as this, and I&#8217;m not part of the community that creates them, I just play them, but if there is a proposal to protect these fan made games, I&#8217;d be eternally grateful  if you helped make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of cases in which sheet music is in limbo - it's out of print, but still in copyright. One can't obtain copies to perform it.  

I'd suggest a principle "Out of print means out of (non-commercial) copyright".
[The USA had a similar proposal for orphaned works: after 20 years, copyright owners must pay a nominal $1 to keep something in copyright]


We also need a clear exemption for photocopying music where you already own the original. (i.e. there's no lost sale). Eg when my choir wants to tour, we currently have to carry a huge amount of weight, whereas we'd like to photocopy only what we need. As a pianist, I find it helps to have copies of the music over the page, so I can avoid awkward page-turns. And some musical originals are too fragile to play, or too valuable to annotate in pencil. However, all these things are, as I understand, technically illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of cases in which sheet music is in limbo - it&#8217;s out of print, but still in copyright. One can&#8217;t obtain copies to perform it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest a principle &#8220;Out of print means out of (non-commercial) copyright&#8221;.<br />
[The USA had a similar proposal for orphaned works: after 20 years, copyright owners must pay a nominal $1 to keep something in copyright]</p>
<p>We also need a clear exemption for photocopying music where you already own the original. (i.e. there&#8217;s no lost sale). Eg when my choir wants to tour, we currently have to carry a huge amount of weight, whereas we&#8217;d like to photocopy only what we need. As a pianist, I find it helps to have copies of the music over the page, so I can avoid awkward page-turns. And some musical originals are too fragile to play, or too valuable to annotate in pencil. However, all these things are, as I understand, technically illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do try Vicki Bennet (http://www.peoplelikeus.org/), a British mash-up artist who has relocated to the US where they have better copyright exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do try Vicki Bennet (http://www.peoplelikeus.org/), a British mash-up artist who has relocated to the US where they have better copyright exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Thriftshop XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thriftshop XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm UK based and make audio mashups. 

I buy TV quality pop promos from legitimate suppliers and go about editing them together to produce a hybrid audio video mashup, which I then put onto DVD ready to VJ/DJ at clubs - the punter gets to see and hear cut up AV in a club environment. It's like a DJ but with pictures - in sync, all mixed up...


Also, I was recently commisioned by a UK-based music television group to do this for shows across their spread of channels. 

It's not just pop music I work with either. 

For example, when Ronnie Barker died last year I took some video clips from Two Ronnies sketches (especially the famous 'fork handles' sketch) and put it over the audio from Elton John's 'Candle in the Wind'. At the points where Elton is about to sing the phrase 'Candle in the wind', I replaced the word 'candle' with a shot from the sketch where Ronnie Barker says 'Fork Handles' for comedic effect - mildly amusing, eh? Illegal too...



According to the current VPL licence the editing of these videos is explicitly prohibited, so what I do to entertain people is illegal!!!

It's not even like I'm trying to resell this stuff without permission. I play these works in clubs to a crowd. I'd love to be legal.

I would be more than happy to discuss this in-depth with anyone from ORG

Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m UK based and make audio mashups. </p>
<p>I buy TV quality pop promos from legitimate suppliers and go about editing them together to produce a hybrid audio video mashup, which I then put onto DVD ready to VJ/DJ at clubs - the punter gets to see and hear cut up AV in a club environment. It&#8217;s like a DJ but with pictures - in sync, all mixed up&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, I was recently commisioned by a UK-based music television group to do this for shows across their spread of channels. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just pop music I work with either. </p>
<p>For example, when Ronnie Barker died last year I took some video clips from Two Ronnies sketches (especially the famous &#8216;fork handles&#8217; sketch) and put it over the audio from Elton John&#8217;s &#8216;Candle in the Wind&#8217;. At the points where Elton is about to sing the phrase &#8216;Candle in the wind&#8217;, I replaced the word &#8216;candle&#8217; with a shot from the sketch where Ronnie Barker says &#8216;Fork Handles&#8217; for comedic effect - mildly amusing, eh? Illegal too&#8230;</p>
<p>According to the current VPL licence the editing of these videos is explicitly prohibited, so what I do to entertain people is illegal!!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even like I&#8217;m trying to resell this stuff without permission. I play these works in clubs to a crowd. I&#8217;d love to be legal.</p>
<p>I would be more than happy to discuss this in-depth with anyone from ORG</p>
<p>Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Jez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a large scene of musicians / cut-up / "mashup" artists and songwriters who are using sampled music in their work for non-profit purposes.  The result of this is that they create new and interesting arrangements of existing work and this in turn promotes and provides cultural (and hence financial) longevity to the original artist.  This also opens avenues for art creation that may not have been considered and breaks down genre barriers to provide a vital, collaborative art scene.

Genre collaboration and intellectual borrowing have always been rife within the industry (Paul Mccartney freely admitting he borrowed Musical ideas from other artists) and a rigid concept of Intellectual property does not allow for discourse or genuine experimentation.

Most of the artists who use this process are either beginners, or cutting their teeth and "fair use" allows them to learn and demonstrate their production abilities leading to a new generation of artists and for existing artists to consider the possibilities presented to them by this process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a large scene of musicians / cut-up / &#8220;mashup&#8221; artists and songwriters who are using sampled music in their work for non-profit purposes.  The result of this is that they create new and interesting arrangements of existing work and this in turn promotes and provides cultural (and hence financial) longevity to the original artist.  This also opens avenues for art creation that may not have been considered and breaks down genre barriers to provide a vital, collaborative art scene.</p>
<p>Genre collaboration and intellectual borrowing have always been rife within the industry (Paul Mccartney freely admitting he borrowed Musical ideas from other artists) and a rigid concept of Intellectual property does not allow for discourse or genuine experimentation.</p>
<p>Most of the artists who use this process are either beginners, or cutting their teeth and &#8220;fair use&#8221; allows them to learn and demonstrate their production abilities leading to a new generation of artists and for existing artists to consider the possibilities presented to them by this process.</p>
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		<title>By: Radio Clash Mash Up Podcast - a weekly podcast of mixes, mash-ups, and more! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Want to help change the arcane UK copyright law?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radio Clash Mash Up Podcast - a weekly podcast of mixes, mash-ups, and more! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Want to help change the arcane UK copyright law?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some of you will know about the Gowers report on Copyright which recommended the loosening on rules around 'fair use' in the UK similarly to US rap groups and parodies in the US. Now according to the wonderful Open Rights group they are looking for examples to give Patent Office where copyright would have made things easier. They are looking for concrete examples of creative practices inhibited by the law, to back up proposed exceptions for the purposes of “creative, transformative or derivative works” and “caricature, parody or pastiche”. Would you, your colleagues, students or collaborators benefit from these exceptions? Are you working or have you worked on a project outlawed by the overly-protectionst copyright regime, which would have benefited from these kinds of exceptions? If so, please get in touch - info[at]openrightsgroup.org - and share your experience. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some of you will know about the Gowers report on Copyright which recommended the loosening on rules around &#8216;fair use&#8217; in the UK similarly to US rap groups and parodies in the US. Now according to the wonderful Open Rights group they are looking for examples to give Patent Office where copyright would have made things easier. They are looking for concrete examples of creative practices inhibited by the law, to back up proposed exceptions for the purposes of “creative, transformative or derivative works” and “caricature, parody or pastiche”. Would you, your colleagues, students or collaborators benefit from these exceptions? Are you working or have you worked on a project outlawed by the overly-protectionst copyright regime, which would have benefited from these kinds of exceptions? If so, please get in touch - info[at]openrightsgroup.org - and share your experience. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>john harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add a gloss to my own blog above, to underline its key implications.  These are:

(a)  That there is useful creative work to be done in reinterpreting existing work.

(b)  That often this new work will bring negligible if any financial reward.  It will only be done by lone enthusiasts with negligible overheads.

(c)  That even with something as old as 17th century music there are copyright issues surrounding the source material available.

(d)  That obtaining certainty that you are not innocently infringing copyright is in practice often extremely difficult, if not impossible, and cannot be undertaken by lone enthusiasts.

The move towards criminalising copyright violation significantly changes the picture.  A single fine at the level sought by corporate lobbyists could ruin someone who would currently be able to achieve amicable settlement of an honest mistake under civil law.  There will be people who will no longer dare act on common sense.

Large corporations are able to navigate copyright because they maintain expensive teams of copyright researchers and lawyers.  

The world would be much fairer if there were some public body - like the Patent Office in its transformed state - which was able, affordably, to act as a clearing house or honest broker for permissions, and even more so if the law permitted a presumption that permission was given if it was not denied within some reasonable period.

With modern communications it would be technically feasible for permission applications to be posted on an internet-accessible database, and for corporations holding copyright to do automated sweeps.  It might even be cheaper for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add a gloss to my own blog above, to underline its key implications.  These are:</p>
<p>(a)  That there is useful creative work to be done in reinterpreting existing work.</p>
<p>(b)  That often this new work will bring negligible if any financial reward.  It will only be done by lone enthusiasts with negligible overheads.</p>
<p>(c)  That even with something as old as 17th century music there are copyright issues surrounding the source material available.</p>
<p>(d)  That obtaining certainty that you are not innocently infringing copyright is in practice often extremely difficult, if not impossible, and cannot be undertaken by lone enthusiasts.</p>
<p>The move towards criminalising copyright violation significantly changes the picture.  A single fine at the level sought by corporate lobbyists could ruin someone who would currently be able to achieve amicable settlement of an honest mistake under civil law.  There will be people who will no longer dare act on common sense.</p>
<p>Large corporations are able to navigate copyright because they maintain expensive teams of copyright researchers and lawyers.  </p>
<p>The world would be much fairer if there were some public body - like the Patent Office in its transformed state - which was able, affordably, to act as a clearing house or honest broker for permissions, and even more so if the law permitted a presumption that permission was given if it was not denied within some reasonable period.</p>
<p>With modern communications it would be technically feasible for permission applications to be posted on an internet-accessible database, and for corporations holding copyright to do automated sweeps.  It might even be cheaper for them.</p>
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